tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249530.post114376079412597268..comments2023-09-05T05:12:05.483-04:00Comments on Louay Safi: The Politics and Morality of Apostasy*Louay Safihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16697713468354474433noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249530.post-1162992989486898352006-11-08T08:36:00.000-05:002006-11-08T08:36:00.000-05:00I agree with fazila. To try and complete the whole...I agree with fazila. To try and complete the whole and perfect Qur'an with hadith is the real sin. When you look at all the problems with intepretation and rules in Islam it is because of hadith. These are the words of MEN not God, if God wanted this God would have just put it in the Qur'an. You disobey God when you follow hadith and sunnah.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249530.post-1146681568747397782006-05-03T14:39:00.000-04:002006-05-03T14:39:00.000-04:00Dear Dr. Safi:Adding a wider dimention to your exc...Dear Dr. Safi:<BR/><BR/>Adding a wider dimention to your excellent commentary on the subject of "apostasy" in Islam, it seems to me that while both the cartoons episode in Europe and Mr. Rahman's conversion from Islam to Christianity are understandably offensive to many Muslims, both are mere distractions from the real enemy of authentic, Quranic Islam. <BR/><BR/>Neither comes anywhere near the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249530.post-1146494738588919912006-05-01T10:45:00.000-04:002006-05-01T10:45:00.000-04:00Everything evil, unjust, inhuman that is being pra...Everything evil, unjust, inhuman that is being practiced by the majority of moslem communities nowadays can be directly linked to either shaky Hadiths or (more or less willful) misinterpretation of good ones.<BR/>May Allah forgive our arrogance in trying to 'complete' the Qur'an.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249530.post-1145931639572058092006-04-24T22:20:00.000-04:002006-04-24T22:20:00.000-04:00Shamimur Rahman, CanadaNFB has recently posted an ...Shamimur Rahman, Canada<BR/><BR/>NFB has recently posted an article “A Review of Louay Safi’s Article "Apostasy and Religious Freedom" by Archimedez which was forwarded by some Meher Ali Khan. I wonder how this inaccurate dishonest writing did find its way into the FEATURE section.<BR/><BR/>Archimedez either out of total ignorance or by intentional twisting( this is more probable) has accused Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249530.post-1144637075001864912006-04-09T22:44:00.000-04:002006-04-09T22:44:00.000-04:00Let me first thank all those who contributed to th...Let me first thank all those who contributed to this discussion. Debate is always healthy, for it allows for reevaluation of one’s understanding, and provides an opportunity to clear misunderstanding. <BR/><BR/>I don’t wish to respond to every critical point raised with regard to my article, but would like to clarify three positions that were wrongly inferred from my argument.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Louay Safihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16697713468354474433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249530.post-1144601173346598212006-04-09T12:46:00.000-04:002006-04-09T12:46:00.000-04:00Dear Mr. Safi,We found your latest article on the ...Dear Mr. Safi,<BR/>We found your latest article on the provision of death apostasy in Islam in the internet. On reading the article, we realized that you have either missed or willingly excluded the relevant verses in the Koran. Instead, you have cited many verses, which do not deal with the issue of Ridda at all. Hence, we felt compelled to write a thorough review on your article - so that Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249530.post-1144466610834077182006-04-07T23:23:00.000-04:002006-04-07T23:23:00.000-04:00First of all, I think those criticizing Mr Safi ar...First of all, I think those criticizing Mr Safi are being unjustafiably harsh (and unislamic in their sarcasm and insults).<BR/><BR/>That being said, I wish Mr. Safi did not dismiss the above mentioned hadeeths as "shaky" and weak. One may argue that a face-value interpretation or understanding of a particular hadeeth may be incorrect, but I think it is wrong to suggest that a Bukhari hadeeth is Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249530.post-1144466531206319882006-04-07T23:22:00.000-04:002006-04-07T23:22:00.000-04:00assalam o alleikum. i would like a detailed accoun...assalam o alleikum. i would like a detailed account of punishments that were given according to this apostacy law in the entire history of ISLAM. even if an accusation was forwarded and found to be untrue. i know this is a difficult task but it would be very helpful if u can provide atleast 10 such incidents. hope you will reply.<BR/><BR/>Allah hafiz<BR/><BR/>wasifAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249530.post-1144360977501614012006-04-06T18:02:00.000-04:002006-04-06T18:02:00.000-04:00I really like this article and I completely agree ...I really like this article and I completely agree with Dr. Safi . If someone wants to convert to a different religion. i mean, sure, try to stop this from happening but I dont think I want any hypocrites as part of the Muslim ummah. It is between him and Allah. Besides, who are we to judge this man? What if he comes back to Islam later. Allah swt accepts repectance at any time so what if he comesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249530.post-1144360744307621882006-04-06T17:59:00.000-04:002006-04-06T17:59:00.000-04:00Yeah. Just what we need. More of these dollarstore...Yeah. Just what we need. More of these dollarstore doctors to explain Islam to the North American public such that it is palatable to them.<BR/><BR/>I agree with the poster who brought up the issue of gay marriages. Next thing we know you will have such "doctors" trying to explain how gay marriage is acceptable in Islam! All on the basis of "There is no compulsion in matters of faith"(2:256)!!! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249530.post-1144360697057942792006-04-06T17:58:00.000-04:002006-04-06T17:58:00.000-04:00I am so thankful to Allah first and then to Br. Sa...I am so thankful to Allah first and then to Br. Safi for writing this courageous and insightful article. I absolutely agree with you Br. Safi and pray for more wisdom, articulation and courage for you. I have been having this debate in my circle and was surprised to see that folks just would not agree to read the following hadith within the context of its time and situation. <BR/><BR/>“Three actsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249530.post-1144290204802570162006-04-05T22:23:00.000-04:002006-04-05T22:23:00.000-04:00Dr. Safi:Excellent article by you. As always, you ...Dr. Safi:<BR/><BR/>Excellent article by you. As always, you impress me.<BR/><BR/>Great points by QRizwan and Shakir_Ebrahim as well.<BR/><BR/>Here are some Quranic injunctions:<BR/><BR/>[7:159] Among the followers of Moses there are those who guide in accordance with the truth, and the truth renders them righteous. <BR/><BR/>[5:46] Subsequent to them, we sent Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249530.post-1144289872823542922006-04-05T22:17:00.000-04:002006-04-05T22:17:00.000-04:00Ismael, So any Muslim who uses his/her own reasoni...Ismael, So any Muslim who uses his/her own reasoning rather than following others is an apologetic to the US? I thought that was the point of Islam, that we didn’t need intermediaries in our relationship with God? So now it’s not “Islamic” for people to read the Quran for themselves and follow it, they have to rely on “Scholars” who have a very culturally-based interpretation of Islam to tell Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249530.post-1144289783589802822006-04-05T22:16:00.000-04:002006-04-05T22:16:00.000-04:00Dr. Safi is obviously one of the newly emerging se...Dr. Safi is obviously one of the newly emerging sects of the Quraniyoon, those who wish to not use the hadeeth in understanding the religion. He is also someone not proud of his religion. Many immigrant muslims in the United States are so afraid of being forced back to their countries that they try to explain away Islam so that Americans will accept them. I am an American, many Americans are Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249530.post-1144289732748169862006-04-05T22:15:00.000-04:002006-04-05T22:15:00.000-04:00So Mr. Khan...You know for sure, that Dr. Safi is ...So Mr. Khan...<BR/><BR/>You know for sure, that Dr. Safi is destanined for hell. These are very serious claims to make, Mr. Khan. Only the Lord of the Heavens and Earth knows who is destained for hell. <BR/><BR/>I would sincerely urge you to respect yourself.<BR/><BR/>"Sometimes the wolf comes in sheep's clothing."<BR/><BR/>N AmeenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249530.post-1144289632312181112006-04-05T22:13:00.000-04:002006-04-05T22:13:00.000-04:00God in His infinite wisdom did not create robots. ...God in His infinite wisdom did not create robots. Who of us has the right to take away what God himself refrained from doing?<BR/><BR/>BruceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249530.post-1144289511408016542006-04-05T22:11:00.000-04:002006-04-05T22:11:00.000-04:00ASSALAM-U-ALAIKUM, my dear brother,I read your art...ASSALAM-U-ALAIKUM, my dear brother,I read your article sent to me by Islamicity.com, on the subject of APOSTASY and am so much impressed by your knowledge of and zeal for islamic studies that I cannot say in words. So I visited your BLOG PAGES and found it still more interesting and informative. Please note that I have been trying to write a book on the topic of WHY AND HOW WORLD PEACE? I hope itAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249530.post-1144289034067233052006-04-05T22:03:00.000-04:002006-04-05T22:03:00.000-04:00I am 100% agree with your explanation with the hel...I am 100% agree with your explanation with the help of Quran and Hadith. <BR/><BR/>I would like to answer the question of brother Fawad about Abu Bkr jihad against the Muslims who refused to pay alms (Zakah, charity which is madatory in Islam). Brother Fawad your answer was already in the article that if anyone changes from Islam to harm Islam he should be punished. <BR/><BR/>Saying this these Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249530.post-1144288914167724792006-04-05T22:01:00.000-04:002006-04-05T22:01:00.000-04:00Dr. Louay Safi analysis is correct. As Muslims we ...Dr. Louay Safi analysis is correct. As Muslims we must support scholars who are bold enough to be critical of scholars of the past (while still being respectful). While we have to acept Hadith, it should not be at the price of the Glorious Qur'an. A certain Safi Khan (I am not sure if it's the same as the one condemning Dr. Louay to hell)of Maryland wrote several years ago that the Hadith is Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249530.post-1144119881694243022006-04-03T23:04:00.000-04:002006-04-03T23:04:00.000-04:00islamic sharia cannot be understood only from the ...islamic sharia cannot be understood only from the Quran.Many things are understood from the Hadith too.We should look for suitable hadiths regarding apostasy to better understand this issue.<BR/><BR/>Uzma KhanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249530.post-1144119821114061072006-04-03T23:03:00.000-04:002006-04-03T23:03:00.000-04:00Dr. Louay M. Safi is not alone in opposing the dea...Dr. Louay M. Safi is not alone in opposing the death penalty for apostacy. Prof. Mohammad Hashim Kamali - IIU, Malaysia; Prof. Abdullah Saeed - Uni. Melbourne, Australia; and Chandra Muzaffar, Malaysia also write "apostacy is not a punishable offence".<BR/><BR/>Janette HashemiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249530.post-1144100712355650302006-04-03T17:45:00.000-04:002006-04-03T17:45:00.000-04:00Dr. Safi claims that the recent apostasy case in A...Dr. Safi claims that the recent apostasy case in Afghanistan is “rooted in the decision of many post-colonial Muslim countries to abandon traditional legal codes informed by Islamic law, in favor for European legal codes developed to suit modern European societies”. That is completely ridiculous and unfair in that it – predictably – places the blame on the west. In fact, many of the laws Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249530.post-1144100379045031682006-04-03T17:39:00.000-04:002006-04-03T17:39:00.000-04:00Saif Khan, ... You speak of Hell as if you know it...Saif Khan, ... You speak of Hell as if you know it firshand. Then you make false accusations about money and people being on the take. Do you realize the enormity of such a stupid comment? Your so .. backwards, your mind automatically goes to such nonesense when challenged. ... Get a life.<BR/><BR/>J. DellAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249530.post-1144100271379279882006-04-03T17:37:00.000-04:002006-04-03T17:37:00.000-04:00Asalamualaikum! Jazakallah for the insightful arti...Asalamualaikum! Jazakallah for the insightful article.We see that the Muslim community in the US and many other countries stands up for the rights of Muslims everywhere.Why then are no voices heard when such issues rise? I did not see any single statement from ISNA or CAIR regarding the Afghan convert case.Most of my friends from other faiths think that Islam is an extreme and intolerant Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249530.post-1144100015422172722006-04-03T17:33:00.000-04:002006-04-03T17:33:00.000-04:00I think there are natural reasons to religious fre...I think there are natural reasons to religious freedom. Could you believe God to accept somehow forced faith? Forced faith ain't faith at all, it's bluffing. And you can't bluff God. Only basis for real faith is that it's 100% voluntarily chosen. Other ways lead more or less to a shameful theatre and hypocrisy.<BR/><BR/>SiriusAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com